Comments on: The badges behind the bat https://idlermag.com/2011/03/16/the-badges-behind-the-bat/ A U.S. Webzine: 2010-2013 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:23:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: The Spoiler in the family | Gavin Craig https://idlermag.com/2011/03/16/the-badges-behind-the-bat/#comment-4634 Sun, 18 Nov 2012 23:23:11 +0000 http://idler-mag.com/?p=4430#comment-4634 […] recent zero month comics even hinted at what they might look like in the New 52. There have been amazing comics in the past that have taken advantage of the fact that Batman’s mythology is so strong that he’s […]

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By: Super-heroines, stains and all « The Idler https://idlermag.com/2011/03/16/the-badges-behind-the-bat/#comment-3217 Tue, 06 Mar 2012 14:01:48 +0000 http://idler-mag.com/?p=4430#comment-3217 […] string of them, from Carrie Stetko (Whiteout) and Tara Chace (Queen and Country) to Renee Montoya (Gotham Central and The Question) and Wonder Woman herself. All of them different from each other and, in cases […]

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By: Gavin Craig https://idlermag.com/2011/03/16/the-badges-behind-the-bat/#comment-1197 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:14:39 +0000 http://idler-mag.com/?p=4430#comment-1197 In reply to Kate.

There’s a nice bit by Rucka at the beginning of the “Half a Life” trade volume of Gotham Central where he responds to people who complain that he “made” Montoya gay–which in an authorial sense, is literally true–by saying that he always saw the character as gay. Considering that Rucka is also beind the similarly wonderful Batwoman: Elegy, I’d love to see him speak more on the topic, but he seems to be fairly and usefully reticent on the topic in a way that reflects well on his writing. Renee Montoya and Kate Kane being gay is simply part of who they are–it’s a defining trait for both of them, but it’s not the defining trait for both of them.

Seriously, if you haven’t read Elegy it’s worth it just for the scene where Kate is outed at West Point, discharged under DADT, and comes out to her father at home. There’s an incredible dignity between Kate and her father. So good.

Is there a history of gay characters in mainstream comics? The first I’m aware of was Northstar, who came out in 1992. (Although John Byrne claims to have intended the chracter as gay as far back as 1983. Then again, he also intended Wolverine to be an actual mutated wolverine rather than a human mutant, so take that as you will.)

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By: Kate https://idlermag.com/2011/03/16/the-badges-behind-the-bat/#comment-1195 Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:56:25 +0000 http://idler-mag.com/?p=4430#comment-1195 Great post. I lurk here often.

No, really. Also, I’m interested in Montoya. I wonder if I could get a PhD for studying the treatment of gay characters in mainstream comics and thus secure my title as coolest academic ever. I would call it MSG: A study of Mainstream Gay.

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